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New Yahoo Group for Masters of Hypnosis [Sep. 11th, 2005|06:45 pm]
Transformation by Hypnosis
tf_by_hypnosis
[rayne_vandunem]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tfbh_masters

Its reserved exclusively for masters of nlp, hypnosis, or any other means of inducing a mental transformation.
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[User Picture]From: fullcontactmuse
2005-09-11 04:34 pm (UTC)
What's the definition of a master in this context?
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From: rayne_vandunem
2005-09-11 04:43 pm (UTC)
Someone who actually has anough knowledge about it in that they can actually pursue it as a craft (as in scripts, mp3s, RL sessions, and so forth).

The Yahoo group is literally swamped with people who are simply looking for others who can "hypnotize" them, be it through the aforementioned means or others of the like. However, there are precious few people who are knowledgeable enough in that regard, and as a result, this group simply sits on the plate like a cold piece of cooked steak.

Unfortunately, while I am knowledgeable about hypnosis (the theoretics, of course), I have basically no hands-on experience with it.
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[User Picture]From: ssurgul
2005-09-11 05:38 pm (UTC)
Yes, but what sort of evaluation process do you have for it? By that, I mean how are you going to be certain those that sign up for it aren't simply posers looking for that 'special tist' that they've been searching for their entire lives and haven't found solely becuase no such person exists? Particularly once word gets around about it, I just see it devolving into the same sort of situation.
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From: rayne_vandunem
2005-09-11 05:40 pm (UTC)
Good point...

Maybe ask for their website as a prerequisite?
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[User Picture]From: ssurgul
2005-09-11 07:51 pm (UTC)
Well, tragically, I'm not really sure there is any solid means of validating someone like that, barring interviewing their previous clients (and for serious therapists/tists that'd be unlikely at best) coupled with some means of validating their experiences on paper. I asked for both a word of caution and as a check to see if something very cool had been established that I'd not thought of yet as I'm wanting some means of validating a client base for certain security access down the road as well.

I do hope you can find something at least somewhat plausible and somewhat secure. And I wouldn't mind being kept in the loop to bounce ideas around with if you're willing.
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From: rayne_vandunem
2005-09-13 03:30 pm (UTC)
"Tragically"

What a way of putting it, lol.

So far, I've replied to three applicants, asking for credentials of some kind. So far, neither of them have replied back.

Sad. :-(
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[User Picture]From: ssurgul
2005-09-13 03:34 pm (UTC)
*chuckles* Uncertainty may be the bread and butter of the world, but most times I simply find it irritating. :)

Well, there's no good things to come from lack of security when needed, and lack of credibility either. And if those three haven't replied back, perhaps that's a good sign as any. Or perhaps their guts simply gave out before they thought of the notion of making them up, or having friends or even themselves pose as those references. Which is even more pathetic, if they did.
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From: rayne_vandunem
2005-09-13 06:06 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I think to an extension of what you may be saying. More than likely, they're either Europeans/Australians/people from the-middle-of-nowhere, USA who go ga-ga over coming across the term "hypnosis", or some other sort of "fandom" (gad, I hate that word).

Usually, an application for membership is the only thing that you'll hear from these types of people. So no wonder they haven't replied, probably.
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[User Picture]From: ssurgul
2005-09-14 07:17 am (UTC)
Yeah, I'd totally agree there. It's even more telling if they applied for entry into the group with the disclaimer that it's a controlled, application driven group and weren't prepared to make such an app. Drooling fanboys looking for jerk off material and little else. Yay for the Internet Age where no one has to be who or what they are cuz when it's all writ down 'n stuff, they can just claim to be m4d l33t haxx0r studmuffins and nothing applies anymore.
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From: rayne_vandunem
2005-09-14 07:49 am (UTC)
Well...I myself can stand accused of being such (I'll admit such), but I do try to honestly answer questions about myself rather than simply fade in-fade out.

So basically, either the shoe is on the other foot, or the pot (me) is simply talking about the kettle. Take your pick.

Gad, I feel like a prick....
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[User Picture]From: ssurgul
2005-09-14 03:57 pm (UTC)
Well, any such implication or accusation wasn't my intent. I've never applied, knowingly, to anything you moderate, unless it's this group. I was merely bringing up my own experiences and revised expectations for the I-net community at large, unfortunately.
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From: rayne_vandunem
2005-09-14 04:27 pm (UTC)
Nah, I wasn't saying it concerning you, but rather those people who usually make a mere application to join a group simply for "kicks" and not much else (not even a mere intro post). I'm often like that myself, actually, which is why I feel kinda bad about the whole thing.

But as you can see, I'm not that good of a mod/manager. Whenever I start something up, I don't post in it on a periodic basis, since the whole reason why I'd start anything up is for other people, rather than me, to discuss the relevant topics (like newsgroups, for example, which is surrounding Usenet, its history, and all that other good stuff). I do this less with YahooGroups since the people who join an LJ community are more likely to participate in discussions and postings than are most people who join a YahooGroup.

Thus, whenever I do look at the TFBH yahoogroup, I notice that the place has over 300 people already. So it often makes me wonder if this group is simply in a "coma" or something.

I should've done a better job of maintenance. I should've done a better job at promotion. I should've had at least some material to back up and solidify my ideas.

Kinda like Confucius. He had these great ideas for reforming Chinese society. However, the only great contribution to Chinese society which he made during his lifetime was the establishment of China's first public school. He really didn't become famous for his ideas until years after his death.

So.....I dunno. Maybe I was too interested in therianthropy and hypnosis to consider that, while the idea of mentally-induced transformation through hypnosis may be unique (actually, I only considered it after reading one or two fics about instances in which a tf was engendered through hypnosis of some kind), it is a bit too narrow in its duality to actually be embraced as a point of periodic discussion. There is an utter dearth of people who can actually take on the subject by itself, and there aren't that many of them at this group (both at yahoo and LJ, let alone MSN) who are actually talking at all.

So basically, I'm out of ideas for this group. I admit defeat.
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